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Hello, we have two issues; one financial and the other is a client contract query.

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Asked on Jan 13, 2025

Hello, we have two issues; one financial and the other is a client contract query. The first - we're a security company who provided security services to an apartment complex. Contract name was in the owner's name, however our client signed on their behalf. Client did not pay and it became very difficult to get anywhere. Eventually, services was terminated; this was 2023. Client eventually shared that owner is using another property management company, name which they shared with us. We then passed the account to a debt collector, but was advised nothing could be done because the management company was changed to another and confirmation was required to prove that the new property management was taking on the debt. Upon checking with the "new" property management company, we found out that this specific property is not under their management. As a result, we now have no idea where to go/what to do and to date we still have not been paid for any of the invoices. Second - how can we as an SME, navigate when our client stipulates in their contract that the owner is responsible for all invoice payment? What legal grounds do we have, when and if (for example as part 1); the client does not pay because the owner did not pay them? How do we protect ourselves legally; what rights do we have when this happens and where do we go to if this is to occur to recover overdue payments? Thank you.

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Answered on Jan 13, 2025

Hello! My name is Dolan and thank you so much for contacting me! I just had a few quick questions for you: Can you clarify whether the contract explicitly included a clause about the client's authority to act on behalf of the owner and bind the owner to payment obligations?

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Customer:
Asked on Jan 13, 2025

Hello Dolan, thank you for responding. We were requested by the client to put name of the owner on the contract and so the owner is listed as the CLIENT with no involvement of the Property Management company. This is regarding the first part of our initial query. For the second part, the prospective client sent us a draft contract and the clause specifies that the owner will be responsible. For you to quickly review, I have attached the contract sent by us to the client who owes and I have also included the draft contact from the prospective client.

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Answered on Jan 13, 2025

Got it! If I can clarify How much are you still owed? Have you made any substantial collection efforts?

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Customer:
Asked on Jan 13, 2025

Hello Dolan, we are owed $******** plus $****** in interest/late fees. We have exhausted efforts such as made several contacts with the property manager and they eventually changed the property manager. Then one of the regionals told us that the property is under another management company. The regional give us the email address of the transition manager at the new company, but he never responded after emails were sent and phone calls were made. Eventually we passed the information to a debt collector and they said they couldn't help because the contract is now under new management and this management company must claim responsibility of the bill. We then found a number for the new management company and was told that out of the two locations we were querying, that they're only responsible for one and it wasn't the in the contract we sent you (for ********). When we googled we found another company looking after ******** but no one is answering the phone. This is why we are now seeking legal advice as we are unsure on how to handle this. We understand we cannot place a mechanics lien etc, and not sure if we are to go directly to the owners. All our communications with our client *** ****** regarding the outstanding amount spanned from **** 2023 to **** 24. We even went to their ******* ** and spoke to someone at the front desk, contacted various Regional managers and got nowhere. We are just unsure at this point on what to do legally.

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Lawyer:
Answered on Jan 13, 2025

Understood! So you're just wondering what your rights are here, correct?

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Customer:
Asked on Jan 13, 2025

Yes we would like to know our rights as to whether we have to use an attorney, what will the process be and cost etc and how are we to protect ourselves in the event something like this happens again. For example the draft contract I sent, the client wants us to sign it. However, they are not taking any responsibility for payment, the owner is. If the owners doesn't pay them and they don't pay us, what do we do when we have limited information for the owner? Are we legally entitled to request the owner's information from our client? I assume that it is legal for the client to be the "middle man" but not responsible for paying. However, when payments aren't made, they remove themselves and so a vendor one is left unsure on what to do next. So yes, we would like to know our rights in both cases, first with recovering the outstanding balance and how to protect ourselves in the future.

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Answered on Jan 13, 2025

Ok! Did you need to tell me anything else? If not, I can start with answering your question.

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Customer:
Asked on Jan 13, 2025

No that's it, nothing else. Thank you!

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Answered on Jan 13, 2025

Ok! I just need a little time to draft up a high-quality answer. I'll be with you as soon as possible. It won't be terribly long. I have to review the docs and I'll be with you soon.

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Answered on Jan 13, 2025

I'm so sorry about this situation! I want to address your situation with a detailed response, so if you have any questions, don’t hesitate to ask because this law stuff can get complicated. Let me take it step by step: 1. For recovering the unpaid balance of $**k plus interest, based on the agreements you provided, it’s clear that *** was acting as an agent, and the contract itself specifies that the property owner (not the management company) is responsible for paying for your services. This is typical when it comes to agency law. You can always check with the county clerk to see who actually owns the property and once you have nailed that down, you can hold the owner accountable. 2. Looking ahead, you want to avoid being in this mess again, right? Future contracts need to cover your bases so I would make sure the client (whether it’s a management company or an owner) confirms their authority to bind the owner. Even if it's a line stating "So and so, Acting on Behalf off So and So." You can even include terms that hold both the management company and the owner jointly responsible for payments. In most cases, the PM is just an agent and the owner is always liable, but spelling it out makes sense. If things go south and payments stop coming in, you do have some legal rights. You’re entitled to ask the management company for details about the owner, especially if they acted as the middleman and signed the agreement. 3. About the mechanic's lien you mentioned: unfortunately, that’s probably not an option for security services since liens are generally tied to property improvements, not services like patrols. 4. You may want to start with sending a breach of contract action to the owner and them copy ***'s management or ownership on it, too. You can use this link - https://www.contractscounsel.com/t/document-form-checkout/119 This is a template I created. I can also review your contracts or help create a template that better protects your company from this in the future, too. The usual price is around $***, but you get a discount of 10% since you're a member. Thanks!

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Customer:
Asked on Jan 13, 2025

Hello Dolan, thank you for answering the questions. I do have another question. What happens once the breach of contract is sent? Is it something they can ignore and still refuse to pay what they owe?

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Answered on Jan 13, 2025

Sure thing! They can try to ignore it for sure, but sending one generally sets the stage for a lawsuit. If you go to court, they can always claim they "didn't know" you even wanted this money and that they never had a chance to cure this issue. This eliminates that. Plus, it's one of the cheapest ways that you can help resolve this. Plus, you can stay open to some sort of settlement to help and then write off the rest as an uncollectable debt. PLUS, it helps create a paper trail. I would give them 10 calendar days to comply, but in the interim, I'd look for a local attorney, just to be sure. I may have said this before, but you you can send this in any way want. It can be text, email, certified mail, or in person. I usually send letters via email because it’s faster and cheaper.

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Customer:
Asked on Jan 13, 2025

Okay, all noted. We will have to mail it to the owners as we have no email contact for them, but to the PM we can email it. Thank you for the advice!!

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Lawyer:
Answered on Jan 13, 2025

For sure! Were there any details I missed? Were there any concerns you still needed to be addressed?

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Customer:
Asked on Jan 13, 2025

No for now, no further questions, you have covered everything for us. Thank you.

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Answered on Jan 13, 2025

You've got it, my friend!

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